18:34:45 From Mary Hoel to Gayle Jamison(Direct Message): I am calling in on my phone but do not hear anything. Has the meeting started? 18:38:43 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: Currently a Cessna T/N N302VM is doing a circuit flying outside pattern an to north of airpark runway pattern, operating 500' AGL, 470' above my hous and 400' above trees at 1020' AGL, lower than pattern minimum of 1530' per WEBTRAF.EMSBK.COM/IAD 18:40:41 From Marcela Aguilar to Everyone: https://www.montgomerycountyairpark.com/ 18:40:42 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: 1020' above MSL; apologies 18:41:30 From Andrew Pixley to Everyone: How do you know their altitude? 18:41:55 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: WEBTRAK.EMSBK.COM/IAD 18:42:49 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: 1 hour delay; this was at 1733 this evening 18:43:35 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: brad. you are incorrect. the aircraft is at TPA. 1000 fte above the ground. 18:44:30 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: Not per GAI; nonstandard TPA due to elevations surrounding 18:44:41 From Fernando to Everyone: Brad, I am not sure your information is right. Here is the flight track for that airplane, and it landed over an hour ago. Also, to land, the airplane has to descend below 1,550 feet. See here: 18:44:43 From Fernando to Everyone: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N302VM 18:44:54 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: How much did the county spend on the consultant? 18:45:34 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: How was the consultant selected and what are their credentials? 18:45:59 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: Different flight 18:47:00 From Fernando to Everyone: Not really. Flightaware tracks all flights. You can look the info for N302VM, including times and altitudes 18:47:54 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: Brad. You are incorrect and you do not understand airport operations and standard operating procedures. You'd hours educate yourself using free FAA resources. 18:48:07 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: You mention a previous flight; the one I'm mentioning is 1730-1830. Information is delayed an hour. I was watching at 1733, delayed by an hour, displayed at 1833 18:48:37 From Justin Bollum (GAI) to Everyone: I am taking notes on all the questions asked during the forum. 18:49:08 From Arjan P to Everyone: Brad, information is not delayed by one hour on flightaware. Just a few seconds at most. 18:49:17 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: Brad, please educate yourself. 18:49:50 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: You do not understand standard operating procedures. 18:49:52 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: this is available delayed by WEBTRAK.EMSBK.COM/IAD 18:50:15 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: And you are spreading false information 18:50:19 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: Piotr, I am, respectfully 18:50:32 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: try looking instead of judging 18:50:49 From Arjan P to Everyone: Brad, we are at KGAI, not IAD. 18:50:59 From Mladen Kriznik to Everyone: Pattern at GAI is at is 1530 (1600) MSL however Airport is 520 ft above see level so 520 MSL. So pattern is 1000 AGL ( above the ground, Bred I hope this will help you understand little bit about flying.... 18:51:36 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: However the plane was flying 1020' above sea level 18:51:50 From Ashima Talwar (Sen. Van Hollen) to Gayle Jamison(Direct Message): Hi Gayle! I’m Ashima Talwar, Senator Chris Van Hollen’s State Director. I had to join a few minutes late, my apologies. 18:51:50 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: Brad, you are factually incorrect. i will leave it at that. 18:51:53 From Fernando to Everyone: Brad, I am trying to help you. I sent you a link to Flightaware so that you can look flighs in real time information. The airplane you mentioned was not flying when you thought it was 18:52:13 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Dale Tibbitts - thank you for joining us tonight 18:52:42 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: Looking at information is one thing, correct interpretation is another. 18:53:11 From joel kelty to Everyone: Can we get a link to the report in the chat? 18:53:14 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: Please evaluate the information on the link I sent, zoomed into GAI 18:53:15 From Robert Oshinsky to Everyone: On Saturday, September 3rd between 12:24 and 1:09, N302VM did 5 patterns at a low altitude. Brad, is that what you are seeing? 18:53:33 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: This evening, starting at 1730 18:54:06 From Fernando to Everyone: Again Brad, here is the link to the flights from that airplane. Take a look for yourself 18:54:08 From Fernando to Everyone: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N302VM 18:54:41 From Marcela Aguilar to Everyone: Link to report: https://www.montgomerycountyairpark.com/images/documents/MoCo_Airpark_-_GAI_-_Project_Report_20220707_-_Final.pdf 18:54:45 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: Brad is refusing to accept factual information. 18:55:12 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Thank you for the link 18:55:18 From Dale Tibbitts, County Executive's Office to Everyone: The report for the County Executive cost $5000. The company was selected because we had an existing contract with them to consult regarding the change in the pattern in and out of DCA. 18:55:34 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Great answer - thank you Dale 18:55:44 From Arjan P to Everyone: Brad, flightaware shows that airplane during the timeframe you mention, at roughly 1400 ft. Since ADSB, some aircraft are reporting 100ft lower than they may actually have been flying at. Summarized: this aircraft was at pattern altitude. 18:55:50 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: What is the name of the company hired for consulting job? 18:55:59 From Mary Hoel to Everyone: We have speakers asking questions, but we are not getting any responses from the public officials. 18:58:27 From Fernando to Everyone: Vianair wrote the report 18:59:01 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Dale Tibbitts - who paid for the report? Was it out of county funds? The Airport fund? I'm curious. 18:59:07 From Dale Tibbitts, County Executive's Office to Everyone: The report for the County Executive cost $5000. The company was selected because we had an existing contract with them to consult regarding the change in the pattern in and out of DCA. 18:59:09 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: Do we know who did they talk to in the pilot community 18:59:32 From Dale Tibbitts, County Executive's Office to Everyone: County Executive funds paid for the report 18:59:48 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Thank you Dale 18:59:54 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: We appreciate the infomration 19:00:37 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: Or, in other words, was the KGAI pilot community appropriately represented. as far as I am aware nobody talked to CFC pilots (50+) 19:00:55 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: or CAP pilots? 19:01:01 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Piotr - that's a great question 19:01:51 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: CAP - Civil Air Patrol is an official auxiliary of U.S. Air Force. 19:01:52 From Darren P to Everyone: I’m a pilot that lives within 5miles of the airport. I was not interviewed for this report. 19:02:30 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: No pilot I know was interviewed which makes me question the integrity of the report. 19:02:41 From Joy Nurmi to Everyone: Thanks to everyone who took time to attend the meeting tonight. Council President Gabe Albornoz supports moving this effort forward by working with the consultant to implement many of the recommendations in the report. 19:02:47 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Was anyone on here questioned for the report? 19:02:49 From barbarafischer to Everyone: I’m having some technical issues. I’m sorry as this is very important too me. There are too many flights that now go right over my home virtually all day. I’ve lived here since 1995 and we were not in the flight path before the past few years. Safety, lead and noise are my concerns/ 19:03:34 From GG Shenk to Everyone: I was not contacted as a member of the community in regards to this report. 19:03:42 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: So no pilot on this call was interviewed for the report? 19:03:50 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Nor any non pilot it seems 19:04:09 From barbarafischer to Everyone: I look forward to reading these reports. 19:04:25 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Its 3-4 a week 19:05:02 From Fernando to Everyone: No I was not contacted by the persons that did the report 19:10:36 From Dale Tibbitts, County Executive's Office to Everyone: I will ask the consultant who was interviewed. 19:11:06 From Mary Hoel to Everyone: What about the question about what the MOCO is going to do to address the recommendations from the study that Ms. Schenk referred to 19:11:16 From Darren P to Everyone: What is the revenue authority’s plan to support availability of 100UL at GAI? 19:11:48 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Is anyone on the MCRA a pilot? 19:11:54 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Actual board members? 19:12:11 From Mladen Kriznik to Everyone: Darren, I believe it will take few years before this type of fuel get to GAI 19:12:37 From Mary Hoel to Everyone: What is the next step with implementing the recommendations from the report 19:13:10 From GG Shenk to Everyone: I would like to see a member of the community surrounding the airpark be appointed to the board of the MCRA. 19:13:10 From Bob Gawler to Everyone: What is the new web site address? 19:13:28 From Gayle Jamison to Waiting Room Participants: www.montgomerycountyairpark.com 19:13:50 From Darren P to Everyone: @Mladen, yes of course, but the planning should start now. 19:13:57 From Piotr Kulczakowicz CFI-IA / CFC / CAP to Everyone: How about the three noise complainers recognize pilots efforts to improve noise abatement. There was a pronounced improvement as a reaction and token of appreciation to complainers. 19:14:06 From Steph MacArthur to Everyone: On July 20, 2022 I observed two small aircraft flying side by side, extremely close together, at low altitude over my home in the Cypress Run neighborhood within 5 miles of GAI. They flew over at least three times. I wrote an email to Mr. Bollum on 8/7/22, including a photograph of the planes and IDs of the aircraft from the complaints I filed through the Airpark website, to find out if this dangerous practice is authorized. I have not received a reply. 19:14:44 From Brad Taylor to Everyone: I saw these two too, but didn't report 19:14:46 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Flying in formation is legal 19:14:55 From Darren P to Everyone: Steph: formation flights are legal 19:15:19 From Bruce Vivari to Everyone: Any updates on the failing AWOS capabilities? 19:15:29 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Many formation pilots actually receive intense additional training 19:15:44 From Mladen Kriznik to Everyone: I'm Congressional Flying Club former president and current Civil Air Patrol Squadron Commander at GAI and would like to invite anyone who wants to learn more about flying patterns and General Aviation flying so you all can understand better 19:15:52 From Darren P to Everyone: I second the question on the AWOS 19:16:00 From Seth Meyers to Everyone: Great offer Mladen 19:16:01 From Marcela Aguilar to Everyone: Will the recording to this meeting be posted? 19:16:05 From Craig Rice to Everyone: Stay safe everyone 19:16:21 From barbarafischer to Everyone: Thank you.